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	<title>Comments on: Ubuntu Lucid and THAT button layout</title>
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		<title>By: Izo</title>
		<link>http://www.design-by-izo.com/2010/03/13/ubuntu-lucid-and-that-button-layout/comment-page-1/#comment-9579</link>
		<dc:creator>Izo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks for the comment, überRegenbogen! I duly consider myself corrected. =]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for the comment, überRegenbogen! I duly consider myself corrected. =]</p>
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		<title>By: überRegenbogen</title>
		<link>http://www.design-by-izo.com/2010/03/13/ubuntu-lucid-and-that-button-layout/comment-page-1/#comment-9578</link>
		<dc:creator>überRegenbogen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The main shift away from this popular window control layout was in the advent of Apple’s Mac OS X operating system. ... they moved the window controls to the left of the titlebar ... Apple have stuck to this particular layout ever since and Mac users have become very accustomed to it.&quot;

Apple didn&#039;t move the close button. It has been at the left end of the titlebar for the entire existence of the Macintosh—since before MS-Windows existed, and 11 years before it grew a dedicated close button. In gconf language the Mac System 4 through 7 arrangement would be &quot;close:maximize&quot;. The Mac OS 8 through 9 arrangement would be &quot;close:shade,maximize&quot; (except that GNOME doesn&#039;t support a shade button). In Mac OS X they did away with the shade button (leaving that function to double-clicking the titlebar), added a minimise button next to the close button, and moved the maximise button to form one cluster—with a nice sane order (minimise is more similar to close than maximise is.

In MS-Windows versions prior to Win95 (4.0) and WinNT4, double-clicking the window-control menu (on the left, ooh) was the closest it had to a close button—a method which not only still usually works, but is an option in many unixoid window managers. In gconf language it would be &quot;menu:minimize,maximize&quot;.

When Microsoft eventually added a close button, they ridiculously put it next to (indeed in the position formerly occupied by) the control with the most contrary functionality—maximise. (I can&#039;t tell you how many expletive-rich occasions i accidentally closed a window instead of maximising it, when i first went from Win3.1 to Win98.) This yielded the now familiar, annoyingly middle-endian, min,max,close cluster that most late-&#039;90s Windows users lemmingly accepted without question, along with absurdly frequent system hangs and crashes. (I was delighted to find that both KDE and GNOME let me fix that nonsense.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The main shift away from this popular window control layout was in the advent of Apple’s Mac OS X operating system. &#8230; they moved the window controls to the left of the titlebar &#8230; Apple have stuck to this particular layout ever since and Mac users have become very accustomed to it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apple didn&#8217;t move the close button. It has been at the left end of the titlebar for the entire existence of the Macintosh—since before MS-Windows existed, and 11 years before it grew a dedicated close button. In gconf language the Mac System 4 through 7 arrangement would be &#8220;close:maximize&#8221;. The Mac OS 8 through 9 arrangement would be &#8220;close:shade,maximize&#8221; (except that GNOME doesn&#8217;t support a shade button). In Mac OS X they did away with the shade button (leaving that function to double-clicking the titlebar), added a minimise button next to the close button, and moved the maximise button to form one cluster—with a nice sane order (minimise is more similar to close than maximise is.</p>
<p>In MS-Windows versions prior to Win95 (4.0) and WinNT4, double-clicking the window-control menu (on the left, ooh) was the closest it had to a close button—a method which not only still usually works, but is an option in many unixoid window managers. In gconf language it would be &#8220;menu:minimize,maximize&#8221;.</p>
<p>When Microsoft eventually added a close button, they ridiculously put it next to (indeed in the position formerly occupied by) the control with the most contrary functionality—maximise. (I can&#8217;t tell you how many expletive-rich occasions i accidentally closed a window instead of maximising it, when i first went from Win3.1 to Win98.) This yielded the now familiar, annoyingly middle-endian, min,max,close cluster that most late-&#8217;90s Windows users lemmingly accepted without question, along with absurdly frequent system hangs and crashes. (I was delighted to find that both KDE and GNOME let me fix that nonsense.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.design-by-izo.com/2010/03/13/ubuntu-lucid-and-that-button-layout/comment-page-1/#comment-549</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t like the controls in the new left side position for Radiance and Ambiance, you can download slightly modified versions of those themes entitled Radiance_R and Ambiance_R. I have modified these thems and posted them on Gnome-Look.org for people who would like to use them.

Here are the links to the themes.

Ambiance_R  (Ambiance Right Side)
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ambiance_R+%28Ambiance+Right+Side%29?content=123927

Radiance_R (Radiance Right Side)
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Radiance_R+%28Radiance+Right+Side%29?content=123931


I hope you find these beneficial and enjoy them.

- Jack Thomas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t like the controls in the new left side position for Radiance and Ambiance, you can download slightly modified versions of those themes entitled Radiance_R and Ambiance_R. I have modified these thems and posted them on Gnome-Look.org for people who would like to use them.</p>
<p>Here are the links to the themes.</p>
<p>Ambiance_R  (Ambiance Right Side)<br />
<a href="http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ambiance_R+%28Ambiance+Right+Side%29?content=123927" rel="nofollow">http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ambiance_R+%28Ambiance+Right+Side%29?content=123927</a></p>
<p>Radiance_R (Radiance Right Side)<br />
<a href="http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Radiance_R+%28Radiance+Right+Side%29?content=123931" rel="nofollow">http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Radiance_R+%28Radiance+Right+Side%29?content=123931</a></p>
<p>I hope you find these beneficial and enjoy them.</p>
<p>- Jack Thomas</p>
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		<title>By: Omar</title>
		<link>http://www.design-by-izo.com/2010/03/13/ubuntu-lucid-and-that-button-layout/comment-page-1/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 07:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still can&#039;t understand the motivation of moving the buttons to the left (and i&#039;ve really tried to read up on it. Mark Shuttleworth recently claimed, that they wanted to try innovative new things on the right side of the windows decoration come 10.10. I hope that&#039;s true and the things they want to try out don&#039;t involve stupid web2.0 thingies (like &quot;share my application view with facebook&quot; or &quot;instant twitter&quot;).

The problem is that the right side now is pretty empty which doesn&#039;t look nice. Having been used to the buttons on the right side, isn&#039;t the only reason to keep them there. Some have pointed out, that the buttons now are in very close proximity to the window menu, which makes it more likely to miss the menu and accidently hit &quot;close&quot;. Remember: on mac, there isn&#039;t this problem, since mac places the menu bar at the top of the screen rather than on the top of the menu.

One small remark yet: three of the example layouts you presented are in essence the same. The only one standing out (until now) is macosx and that - as i explained - fits in the general layout in macosx. So actually, there haven&#039;t been much variance in button placement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still can&#8217;t understand the motivation of moving the buttons to the left (and i&#8217;ve really tried to read up on it. Mark Shuttleworth recently claimed, that they wanted to try innovative new things on the right side of the windows decoration come 10.10. I hope that&#8217;s true and the things they want to try out don&#8217;t involve stupid web2.0 thingies (like &#8220;share my application view with facebook&#8221; or &#8220;instant twitter&#8221;).</p>
<p>The problem is that the right side now is pretty empty which doesn&#8217;t look nice. Having been used to the buttons on the right side, isn&#8217;t the only reason to keep them there. Some have pointed out, that the buttons now are in very close proximity to the window menu, which makes it more likely to miss the menu and accidently hit &#8220;close&#8221;. Remember: on mac, there isn&#8217;t this problem, since mac places the menu bar at the top of the screen rather than on the top of the menu.</p>
<p>One small remark yet: three of the example layouts you presented are in essence the same. The only one standing out (until now) is macosx and that &#8211; as i explained &#8211; fits in the general layout in macosx. So actually, there haven&#8217;t been much variance in button placement.</p>
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		<title>By: Design By Izo &#124; The online showcase of Ian Cylkowski</title>
		<link>http://www.design-by-izo.com/2010/03/13/ubuntu-lucid-and-that-button-layout/comment-page-1/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>Design By Izo &#124; The online showcase of Ian Cylkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to my post regarding the new Ubuntu branding design, default themes and the ever-so troublesome button layout [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to my post regarding the new Ubuntu branding design, default themes and the ever-so troublesome button layout [...]</p>
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